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#1 Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:38 pm
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I have seen where the William Proctor b. in Rowan Co North Carolina had 2 wives listed on various trees. The first is Jane Welch, whom he was married to in Rowan Co, NC. 2nd listed as Phyllis Sena Pinkston. I saw wheere he married Ms Pinkston in Ky and wondered what happend to Jane and their children after he married Phyllis in Ky and moved on to Calloway Co, MO. Can anyone out there answer this for me?
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#2 Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:59 pm
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DOB For William I have is about 1820 found in a Mercer County, KY Census 1850
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#3 Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:32 am
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I believe the William Proctor in the Mercer, KY 1850 census is William Patton proctor b. May 3, 1819, Mercer, KY with wife Dianna Dorland Bonita b. Aug 21, 1823 and son John L. Proctor b. circa 1847 in Louisville, KY. Not the husband of Jane Welch.
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#4 Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:03 pm
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The info I have on this William Proctor b. 1775- Rowan Co, NC as listed on my info- who marrried in 1789 Jane Welch in Rowan Co, NC where most of their children are also born. I am especially interested in the son of thiers also named William, b. bet 1794/1795.
(Some say William (1775) later goes into KY and marries Phyllis Sena Pinkston there. I do not see this matching however with the info I have been given by a family member of that line. )
William md to Jane is listed as having died in Calloway Co, Mo in 1834. ??? on this. While Jane listed as having died in Tyron , Nash Co, NC. If he died in MO then he probably did remarry. But, ? if to Phyllis Sena Pinkston or not. They are listed as having married in Madison Co, KY. ( not in Mercer), family does say his name was indeed William B. Proctor however. Source says many Williams in this line, and go back & forth between William B. and William D.
This above William Proctor (1775) md to Jane Welch is also listed as he son of Nicholas Proctor II and Nancy "Nannie " Smith. I find Nicholas & Nannie in Jackson Co Mo in their later years. Many of this line did live in several parts of MO & IL and some later went into AR also, according to my source from this line. Need more comparison of this line to make sure of the various info on this William. Help welcomed here.
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#5 Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:51 pm
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Okay, now I am confused. I thought that I had this figured out. William and Jane had a daughter Mary Polly who married James Roddy. In 1850 there is a 74 year old woman named Jane Braswell living in their son Joseph's household. They live in Jackson County, TN near Red Boiling Springs close to the KY line and Barren County KY. I have always assumed that this is Jane Proctor. I have read the Barren County, KY tax list and William is listed and then he is replaced by Jane. I don't have my records with me, but when I get home I will post the tax info. They are taxed on the same piece of property.
Anybody know anything about this?
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#6 Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:47 am
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Oops, hit the wrong key. I hope that I haven't double up on this post.
Below is what I have on William Proctor. he was my fourth great grandfather. I am sure that his son, James, was not the son of Jane WELCH due to the fact that James was five years old when William married Jane Welch. I hope that this information does not add to the confusion.
9. WILLIAM PROCTOR Born: 1763 in Rowan County N.C. He married JANE (JEAN) WELCH (daughter of THOMAS WELCH SR. and NANCY AGNES ALEXANDER) on 4 July 1789 in Rutherford County, North Carolina. JANE (JEAN) WELCH was born about 1771 in Tyron County (now Lincoln County) North Carolina.
10. It is assumed that William was married to an UNKNOWN WIFE prior to his
marriage to Jane (Jean) WELCH. This assumption is made due to the fact that his
first son was born 5 to 6 years prior to his marriage to Jane.
WILLIAM PROCTOR and UNKNOWN WIFE had the following children:
i JAMES PROCTOR born 1783 Married CATHERINE SWADLEY 1808 in Knox Co. TN
WILLIAM PROCTOR and JANE (JEAN) WELCH had the following children:
i. JOHN PROCTOR born 1790
ii RANSOM PROCTOR born 1794
iii WILLIAM PROCTOR born 1795
iv MOSES PROCTOR SR. born 1796
v REUBEN PROCTOR born 1799 Married SARAH QUEEN 15 June 1820 in
Rutherford Co. NC
vi THOMAS PROCTOR born 1800 Married REBECCA HORN 13 February 1825 in
Rutherford Co. NC
OTHER PROBABLE CHILDREN WERE:
vii MARY PROCTOR
viii ELIZABETH PROCTOR Married THOMAS BENNET
ix THOMAS PROCTOR (Nothing is known of this THOMAS PROCTOR)
x LUVINA PROCTOR
xi WILEY PROCTOR
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#7 Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:04 pm
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kansaskid wrote Okay, now I am confused. I thought that I had this figured out. William and Jane had a daughter Mary Polly who married James Roddy. In 1850 there is a 74 year old woman named Jane Braswell living in their son Joseph's household. They live in Jackson County, TN near Red Boiling Springs close to the KY line and Barren County KY. I have always assumed that this is Jane Proctor. I have read the Barren County, KY tax list and William is listed and then he is replaced by Jane. I don't have my records with me, but when I get home I will post the tax info. They are taxed on the same piece of property.
Anybody know anything about this?
 Interesting, as our family has DNA matches with Braswell/Braisel, and did not know why. Now I wonder abt. this. . |
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#8 Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:05 pm
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Mel wrote Oops, hit the wrong key. I hope that I haven't double up on this post.
Below is what I have on William Proctor. he was my fourth great grandfather. I am sure that his son, James, was not the son of Jane WELCH due to the fact that James was five years old when William married Jane Welch. I hope that this information does not add to the confusion.
9. WILLIAM PROCTOR Born: 1763 in Rowan County N.C. He married JANE (JEAN) WELCH (daughter of THOMAS WELCH SR. and NANCY AGNES ALEXANDER) on 4 July 1789 in Rutherford County, North Carolina. JANE (JEAN) WELCH was born about 1771 in Tyron County (now Lincoln County) North Carolina.
10. It is assumed that William was married to an UNKNOWN WIFE prior to his
marriage to Jane (Jean) WELCH. This assumption is made due to the fact that his
first son was born 5 to 6 years prior to his marriage to Jane.
WILLIAM PROCTOR and UNKNOWN WIFE had the following children:
i JAMES PROCTOR born 1783 Married CATHERINE SWADLEY 1808 in Knox Co. TN
WILLIAM PROCTOR and JANE (JEAN) WELCH had the following children:
i. JOHN PROCTOR born 1790
ii RANSOM PROCTOR born 1794
iii WILLIAM PROCTOR born 1795
iv MOSES PROCTOR SR. born 1796
v REUBEN PROCTOR born 1799 Married SARAH QUEEN 15 June 1820 in
Rutherford Co. NC
vi THOMAS PROCTOR born 1800 Married REBECCA HORN 13 February 1825 in
Rutherford Co. NC
OTHER PROBABLE CHILDREN WERE:
vii MARY PROCTOR
viii ELIZABETH PROCTOR Married THOMAS BENNET
ix THOMAS PROCTOR (Nothing is known of this THOMAS PROCTOR)
x LUVINA PROCTOR
xi WILEY PROCTOR
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#9 Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:14 pm
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Thank you for this info.
My question still remains, is this the same Wiliam who md Phylis Sena Pinkston in Madison Co, KY, and moved to Caswell Co, Mo and died there in 1834.
I have the line coming from them, info. from one of their descendents. I want to make sure this is the same guy, and records not crosed up, he seems to have married her, abt. the same year that Jane Welch (Proctor) had her last child.
Phyllis is later found still in Caswell Co, Mo in 1850 with their ch. as I was given them. But there is a smudge on the census, and it is incorretly ranscribed as Phillip, when it should be Phyllis, the children are the same ones, I had. I have seen several death places for this Phyllis also, bu, I do not see how she coudl have died in Missouri City, TX in 1850 as I have seen, when she is very much in Caswell co, M in 1850 either.
If the info of these being William 2 wives are correct, then there were many more children born to him by 2nd wife.
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#10 Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:11 am
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It appears that I can make posts, again.
Here is what I know for sure about William. He was married before he married Jane WELCH. I know this because I have his son's military records from the wat of 1812 which list his birth date.
I also BELIEVE that he either divorced or just left Jane WELCH because she is found, alone, in Barren Co., KY and with her son in Jackson Co., TN where it appears that is a widow from a marriage after William left.
I believe that William married Phylis PINKSTON and moved to Callaway Co., MO. Calloway County is where many of my people are from.
It appears that there is some confusion about Nicholas and Nanny PROCTOR and where they spent their later years. I THINK that it was Jackson Co., TN not Jackson Co., MO Jackson Co., Mo is Kansas City.
I hope that I haven't further clouded the issue.
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#11 Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:59 pm
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I thought this may be the same William.I don't always pay attention to the widow thing. Because I have found several men in my line, left wives, and the wife passed herself off as a widow on next census, then I find him, living nearby in another town or county with another wife.
The man I have talked to for years, comes from the line from Phyllis Sena Pinkston (Proctor) he was not aware Wiliam had been married bef. or had other children before her. So, he was surprised at thsi possibility. However many of his other family stories match the nicholas lines history. So, makes sense.
I am watching this line closely, as our family DNA seems to match somewhere in it, but, we can't figure out where. Think my cousins DNA on Y & MT got crossed up somewhere, as same families come on on both sides, curious thing. Al we knwo is we come down from a William Proctor and Mary Ann . Both of them used several alias names, so hard to trace them out. We jsust knwo our William b. abt 1794/95, and served in the War of 1812, adn died bef. 1863, when his son I come from inhereted his land from a Land grant in Dade Co, MO. We know he had soem bro's named John, James, Joe, and at pone time William passed himself off as his bro, James. We know our William was a Torie also, and left his family to go live amoung the Indians. Our family talked about some of the ancestors were ministers,a dn many moved around alot. We are tryign very ghard to wee where we fit into this line. Suspect from a son of William & Jane Welch's.
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#12 Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:30 pm
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Pathfinder, If you will send your address to Mburt33@hotmail.com, I will send all I have on the PROCTOR and WELCH families. |
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#13 Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:24 am
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My name is Ronny "Red" Edward Rusin. I was adopted but I know some of my Proctor family. I have a son Landen Edward Rusin. My mother is Regina Proctor. My grandfather is Charles "Red" Edward Proctor. He was from Joplin, Mo. His Dad was Willey Proctor. Charles Mother was a Lyons. That's about as far back as I can go. I am really looking for hard evidents on my Indian heritage. I have been told that I am related to Ezekiel Proctor. He was called "the Last of the Cherokee Warriors. Also i think that I am related to Chief John Brown. Any info would be greatly appreciated
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#14 Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:35 pm
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Many folks are looking for Zeke PROCTORs ancestors but to the best of my knowledge no one knows who his parents or grandparents were. Nanny SMITHis the wife of Nicholas PROCTOR is widely believed to be Cherokee. In my line and possibly yours there is Naky CANOE the daughter of Dragging Canoe. She was married to Alexander BROWN SR. They were the my g,g,g,g, Grandparents. Your grandfather being from Joplin MO places him in the same general area as my family in Stone and Tanney counties. I have a Wiley PROCTOR that was the son of William PROCTOR and Jane WELCH. William wound up in Calloway Co., MO where he died. Is this your line?
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#15 Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:54 pm
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#16 Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:16 pm
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Mel:
I will email you . I am most interested in this line. As far as the others on this topic forum. My gr gr grandfatehr (Francis Marion proctor)always swore Zeke was his half bro and he had many other siblings from his father in Oklahoma. We have never been ableto prove this out. We were told our ancestor Mary Ann who called herself by many alias names had her ch. by this William.
Since the DNA in or line matches into the Nicholas Proctor lines, we assume this William did come from those lines, if the family stories are true. They carried this story down all the way to my grandfathers day, and onward down of coarse, to us. We are told he claimed Mary Ann but, they were not married by US customs, at least not under their real naems, we believe they used an alias for this also. So we can not fidn a marriage, only that she claimed he was the father of at least 5-6 of her hildren. Family story says he had ch. by many women, and had at least abt 21 ch in all, between them all.
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#17 Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:56 am
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Everyone would like to be related to Zeke PROCTOR. However, I think that is physically impossible for the following reasons: (1) We all say that Zeke was a full blooded Cherokee. (2) We all come from Anglo Saxon stock and are the family of five or six brothers that emigrated from England. (3) Because of the influence of Dragging Canoes elder adopted brother, Alexander Cameron, many Cherokee took Angle names to better assimilate into white society. (4) If, in fact, he was
a full blood Cherokee then one of his parents could not have been a Proctor
It is like a slave taking the name of the master. He has the name bu the is not blood kin. While there are many blood kin blacks, they are not full blood black. Someone in the past married a male Proctor
Yes, I do stir the pot
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#18 Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:16 pm
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Pathfinder,
I have not received your address or if I have I missed it. Please resend it.
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#19 Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:43 pm
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Since my last post about Zeke PROCTOR I have gone through some old records that i have. Here is what found. Zeke was NOT full blood Cherokee. Is linage
was as follows.
George William DOWNING b. 1616 in Eng. d. 1683 Married Elizabeth UNKNOWN
b. 1643 in Eng. d. 15 Oct 175 in Eng.
John B. Downing b. 1638 in Eng. d. 18 Mar 1698 in Eng. Married UNKNOWN
john Downing Jr. b. 1667 in Eng. d. 16 Feb 1718 in Eng. Married Elizabeth MATTINGLY b. 1669 in Eng. d. in Eng.
Major John Downing III b. 1710 in Eng d. 14 Oct 1793 in North Thumberland
VA Married Hannah FAWLING b. 1720 Cherokee Nation GA. Full Blood - Wolf Clan
John Downing IV 1/2 Cherokee b. 1742 Cherokee Nation TN. Married in 1771 to Jennie FIELDS
Moses Downing 1/4 Cherokee b. 1784 Cherokee Nation GA. Married (1) Polly U-YO-SI-TI b. 1790 (2) Lydia STAR B. 1790
Dicey Downing 5/8 Cherokee b1808 Married William PROCTOR (White) b. 1806 Cherokee Nation GA d. 1858
Zeke PROCTOR 1/2 Cherokee b. 4 July 1831 d. Feb 1907 in AR. Zeke belonged to the Keetoowah Society and this may be where the idea that he was a full blood came from. It was not required that you be a full blood to belong to the society and think like a full blood
The Keetoowah Society stood for preservation of tribal tradition; the term means full-blood, old-time Cherokee, or something similar. The Keetoowahs believed deeply in preservation of the old ways against encroachment by white men, who were now settling in large numbers on Cherokee land in Indian Territory. The Keetoowahs generally had supported Cherokee Chief John Ross in defending the Union. And the Keetoowahs stuck together, swearing, among other things, not to testify against each other. The Keetoowahs also stood for Cherokee separateness and Cherokee sovereignty. They believed the Cherokee Nation ought to have control over its own lands and its own affairs, and especially objected to the trial of Cherokees for crimes committed against whites.
So, he was a true blood PROCTOR but not a full Blood Cherokee.
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#20 Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:46 pm
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Correction: ZEKE was 5/16 Cherokee
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#21 Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:02 pm
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Mel wrote Pathfinder, If you will send your address to Mburt33@hotmail.com, I will send all I have on the PROCTOR and WELCH families.
More Info here that follows this line: http://genforum.genealogy.com/proctor/messages/3694.html JoeP |
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